[Vivienne]

This country would be out there, happening on its own !!!

[Yudster]

Sorry Foot Loose, my fault.

[claradooblue]

Scoltand should be independant, but I agree; not run by the SNP. In Birmingham, there are quite a lot of independant candidates who I would rather vote for than anyone else. Labour are still doing my head in right now.
As far as dykes go: great things! My daughter was conceived at Devils Dyke near Brighton, they have thier uses it seems.

[Yudster]

Not so good if you are into naming your children after the place they were conceived though. It is good to know that more goes on there than just hang gliding though.

[bumheed7]

shame on you footloose. get it sorted

What did I say??

voting for independence the day?

Without wanting to start an argument about the whole thing (I've managed it on two other forums so far) but I don't get what we want independence for? It comes across that folk have watched "Braveheart" and decided to paint their faces blue and shout "Freedom".

I think we are stronger together (Wales and NI as well). I appreciate that there are issues with the way that a lot of Scots feel that we are a testing ground for certain policies, but surely we could sort that out some other way than getting completly divorced from everyone else?

I agree with some of their policies, but I don't think its enough.

Plus - Alex Salmond is an arse.


Don't hate me.

you said chas n dave were pish.
but can you name me a politician who isnt an arse?
as south park says, you have to choose between a douche and a turd. i just like the thought of an snp turd than a labour douche.

[Yudster]

Neatly put.

[claradooblue]

You definatly have to have a twisted personality to be a politician. A lot of them seem to have been bullied at school, or secretly have a desire to work for the Child Support Agency but couldn't cut the mustard. A bit like traffic wardens having secret (or not so secret) police fetishes.

[foot-loose]

I would vote for independance for Scotland, but not the way they want it - ie independant in terms of control, but still financially and economically dependant. Talk about having your cake and eating it - the Scots want it bloody deep-fried too.

I would be more interested in that sorta thing - I just have this feeling that the majority of people that want independence only do so because there is the ongoing Scotland vs England thing. I think both countries help each other in different ways. There is an argument that the Scots get dragged into things with England that we don't really want to, but I have always felt that the world looks at Scotland completly differently (in a good way) to how they see England.

To be honest, I think we have it fairly good up here - anything that goes wrong, we can blame on Westminster and say that "it wasn't our idea". Im not convinced that we would manage to do it any better ourselves.

you said chas n dave were pish.
but can you name me a politician who isnt an arse?
as south park says, you have to choose between a douche and a turd. i just like the thought of an snp turd than a labour douche.

Ahhh, yes I did. I was joking though, and was looking for the Bob the Builder gag. I don't in any way actually believe that Chas and Dave are pish. I would vote for them.

You are right, most politicians are an arse, however, I have thought that Salmond was an arse for a lot longer than most of them.

When Blair appeared in power, I did think he was a good guy and good at the job. A lot of what he has done has been of benifit, granted the negatives will no doubt outweigh the positives.

You definatly have to have a twisted personality to be a politician. A lot of them seem to have been bullied at school, or secretly have a desire to work for the Child Support Agency but couldn't cut the mustard. A bit like traffic wardens having secret (or not so secret) police fetishes.

As Billy Connolly has said "The desire to become a politician should instantly prevent you from being one. The desire for power is dangerous."

(He then went on to say that he would run for President and one of his policies would be that we would need to be naked every Wednesday. A policy which I strongly agree with.)

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

I can kind of understand wanting to be an MP but a local councillor is surely desperation?

[claradooblue]

Indeed. There can only be so much fun in deciding where to put the Labour party trestle table at the local street fete.

[Yudster]

I can kind of understand wanting to be an MP but a local councillor is surely desperation?

I would have to agree - apart from being photographed planting trees and opening fetes, I'm not entirely sure what local councillors are actually for. They don't make any decisions, or influence any policies - most of that seems to emanate from the planning departments and their various parasitic offices. Maybe they just like cake.

[MK Chris]

I have a mate who was going for local councillor. He definitely likes cake. And is desperate.

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

The irony is that Labour has talked about devolution and all that business while taking away powers from Local Government and ringfencing money which takes away any ability to make local choices. The problem is that a lot of Local Councillors I wouldn't trust with the money so I can see Labours point but it makes Local Elections about rubbish bins.

[bumheed7]

mon the snp!

[Yudster]

The irony is that Labour has talked about devolution and all that business while taking away powers from Local Government and ringfencing money which takes away any ability to make local choices. The problem is that a lot of Local Councillors I wouldn't trust with the money so I can see Labours point but it makes Local Elections about rubbish bins.

Its been easy to do though, because the general level of acknowledgment locally about these elections is that it IS about rubbish bins. And park and ride.